1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,450 Father we pray for this morning that we have to gather together as a community, 2 00:00:18,450 --> 00:00:19,950 and be proof of the ways that you 3 00:00:19,950 --> 00:00:23,400 work in seen and unseen ways God. 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,890 God, in 5 00:00:25,890 --> 00:00:27,060 this moment I feel like am 6 00:00:27,060 --> 00:00:29,535 holding many things in my heart. 7 00:00:29,535 --> 00:00:33,030 I feel the grief and the sadness 8 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:36,810 for the passing of Sarah lord. 9 00:00:36,810 --> 00:00:39,870 As a community many of us were impacted by that. 10 00:00:39,870 --> 00:00:42,390 Many of us were close to her and many 11 00:00:42,390 --> 00:00:45,135 of us may have to turn her from the fire of God. 12 00:00:45,135 --> 00:00:49,390 We hold these things in community with one another. 13 00:00:50,990 --> 00:00:54,230 In this moment, we just want to take a moment of 14 00:00:54,230 --> 00:00:57,995 silent prayer just to remember her, 15 00:00:57,995 --> 00:01:00,020 to think about her life 16 00:01:00,020 --> 00:01:06,080 I invite you into that. 17 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,715 Just as [inaudible] the verse on limitations. 18 00:01:48,715 --> 00:01:51,955 In a similar way Jesus said to the disciples, 19 00:01:51,955 --> 00:01:54,505 when Jesus knew that he was leaving. 20 00:01:54,505 --> 00:01:59,055 He said, a little while and you will not see me. 21 00:01:59,055 --> 00:02:02,160 Again a little while, you will not see me. 22 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,740 Truly, truly I say to you, 23 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:07,080 you will weep a moment, 24 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,385 but the world will rejoice. 25 00:02:09,385 --> 00:02:11,330 You will be sorrowful, 26 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:14,435 but your sorrow will return to joy. 27 00:02:14,435 --> 00:02:19,820 Jesus says, thank you that you knew our humanness, 28 00:02:19,820 --> 00:02:22,825 our ability to love deeply, 29 00:02:22,825 --> 00:02:25,020 and also to grieve and to 30 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:28,790 mourn and to allow us to be in whatever place we are. 31 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:31,100 I pray that you would 32 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:33,940 comfort those who need your comforting today. 33 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:36,090 That as a community that we will 34 00:02:36,090 --> 00:02:37,880 come alongside one another and 35 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,380 just be present with one 36 00:02:39,380 --> 00:02:42,125 another in whatever place we are our God. 37 00:02:42,125 --> 00:02:46,930 I pray for your work in our community. 38 00:02:46,930 --> 00:02:49,140 God at the same time we know, 39 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:51,270 its sometimes hard with all this tension, 40 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:55,050 we also believe in the resurrected life. 41 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:58,185 We believe in this hope that you give to us. 42 00:02:58,185 --> 00:03:00,000 It really is Christ 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,525 you the solid rock that we stand together, 44 00:03:02,525 --> 00:03:05,555 that we can hold these truths with one another. 45 00:03:05,555 --> 00:03:07,820 God in these places of sorrow I 46 00:03:07,820 --> 00:03:09,800 also pray that you would bring you 47 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,460 glimpses of hope as we 48 00:03:13,460 --> 00:03:15,665 remember the good things that you have 49 00:03:15,665 --> 00:03:18,970 done in Sarah's life in our community. 50 00:03:18,970 --> 00:03:21,585 Today as we get to gather 51 00:03:21,585 --> 00:03:24,300 our annual John Perkins Lecture Series, 52 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:26,775 I pray that you would soften and 53 00:03:26,775 --> 00:03:28,170 open our hearts with the things 54 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:30,195 that you want to say to us today. 55 00:03:30,195 --> 00:03:32,850 God I thank you so much 56 00:03:32,850 --> 00:03:35,360 for bringing Dr. John Perkins to us. 57 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,875 I thank you so much for bringing 58 00:03:36,875 --> 00:03:39,230 Pastor Erna Hackett to us God. 59 00:03:39,230 --> 00:03:41,060 I pray that you would do 60 00:03:41,060 --> 00:03:44,070 your work in and through them to us today. 61 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:46,905 We pray for an anointing of the Holy spirit. 62 00:03:46,905 --> 00:03:49,290 God we offer ourselves to you 63 00:03:49,290 --> 00:03:51,240 and to one another in this time. 64 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,800 I pray this into Jesus name. 65 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,675 Amen. You may be seated. 66 00:03:54,675 --> 00:03:56,805 I would to invite Elizabeth Perkins 67 00:03:56,805 --> 00:03:58,020 up who would like to give us 68 00:03:58,020 --> 00:03:58,800 a few words. 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:20,520 Morning. I have one Job. 70 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,430 My job today is to let you all know I am, 71 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:27,420 let you all know who we are as John & Vera Mae 72 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:32,340 Perkins Foundation and to invite you all to visit us. 73 00:04:32,340 --> 00:04:36,420 I'm Elizabeth Perkins, President Outreach at 74 00:04:36,420 --> 00:04:37,620 John &Vera Mae Perkins 75 00:04:37,620 --> 00:04:40,660 Foundation Foundation and we're so happy to be here. 76 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:43,040 Every time we come here, 77 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,730 we're excited to be here with you all. 78 00:04:49,090 --> 00:04:55,460 John & Vera Mae Perkins Foundation is internationally 79 00:04:55,460 --> 00:04:58,205 recognized for pioneering 80 00:04:58,205 --> 00:05:02,180 Christian development and for reconciliation and justice, 81 00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:04,070 ranked one of the best community 82 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:07,160 development organizations in the country. 83 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,540 The Perkins Foundation is committed to biblical justice, 84 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:14,705 community development and reconciliation to God, 85 00:05:14,705 --> 00:05:17,090 to self, and to others. 86 00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:19,490 Now our speaker, 87 00:05:19,490 --> 00:05:21,710 we are two speakers, but I'm talking about 88 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:24,050 my dad, my last speaker. 89 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:27,290 He has a rich progressive heritage 90 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:29,305 for serving the poor. 91 00:05:29,305 --> 00:05:33,960 When you hear my dad talk or read his books books, 92 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,220 what you may not know is during that journey we 93 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:40,545 followed our parents wherever 94 00:05:40,545 --> 00:05:42,810 in all these places of need. 95 00:05:42,810 --> 00:05:46,275 We first started in mineco in 1960, 96 00:05:46,275 --> 00:05:47,460 which was a place of [inaudible] 97 00:05:47,460 --> 00:05:50,670 the Jackson another place. 98 00:05:50,670 --> 00:05:54,480 Then he had the nerve to take us to 99 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,400 Northwest Pasadena where it had 100 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,250 the highest crime rate at the time, 101 00:05:59,250 --> 00:06:01,275 and we followed him there. 102 00:06:01,275 --> 00:06:06,030 Now we are back in Jackson. 103 00:06:06,030 --> 00:06:08,055 The area that we live in, 104 00:06:08,055 --> 00:06:11,895 I would say about a mile from the governor's mansion, 105 00:06:11,895 --> 00:06:13,965 half an hour distance from downtown to general. 106 00:06:13,965 --> 00:06:16,740 But our families, the people who we work 107 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:22,660 with they feel this star. 108 00:06:22,820 --> 00:06:28,290 We are there because we want to make sure that 109 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:29,790 we bring some kind of 110 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:33,210 hope to that community and to those families. 111 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:35,850 We have a youth program, 112 00:06:35,850 --> 00:06:36,870 we have summer camp, 113 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:38,570 we have all these things going on. 114 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:41,315 But I think one of the biggest things that we 115 00:06:41,315 --> 00:06:46,025 do is our relationships with our parents, 116 00:06:46,025 --> 00:06:48,905 with our kids, with the people in our community. 117 00:06:48,905 --> 00:06:53,180 We want you to visit us, 118 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:54,350 we want you to come down 119 00:06:54,350 --> 00:07:00,240 and visit our forgotten neighborhood. 120 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:08,310 I feel like my whole life I have lived 121 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:12,210 in a forgotten neighborhood. 122 00:07:12,210 --> 00:07:16,750 I was telling Lisa this morning, 123 00:07:17,750 --> 00:07:21,070 I know in here, 124 00:07:21,770 --> 00:07:27,050 this is where I'm supposed to be. 125 00:07:27,050 --> 00:07:32,620 We were talking about the future and I said to him, 126 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:36,820 "If everything around me is changing, 127 00:07:36,820 --> 00:07:41,470 I know in here that God has placed 128 00:07:41,470 --> 00:07:47,010 me in West Jackson for the rest of my life." 129 00:07:47,010 --> 00:07:49,770 What I want to do is my job is 130 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:51,675 spread, Lily. Where's Lily? 131 00:07:51,675 --> 00:07:57,870 Lily? We want you all to break a team down. 132 00:07:57,870 --> 00:08:01,560 Charges, colleges anyone who is 133 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,830 interested in us loving y'all. 134 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:11,650 That's what we do in 135 00:08:11,650 --> 00:08:16,270 our little corner of Northwest Pasadena. 136 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:19,630 We want to love all of y'all and we want y'all 137 00:08:19,630 --> 00:08:23,620 to just come visit. 138 00:08:23,620 --> 00:08:26,620 Our website is jvmpf, 139 00:08:26,620 --> 00:08:28,390 J as in John, 140 00:08:28,390 --> 00:08:31,000 V as in Veer, mpf.org. 141 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,770 If you need more information, 142 00:08:32,770 --> 00:08:36,190 I'll be available after the service. 143 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:38,140 But y'all come see us. 144 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:40,240 My daddy said, 145 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,665 "People like an invitation." 146 00:08:41,665 --> 00:08:43,240 This is your invitation. 147 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,550 Come see us. 148 00:08:48,550 --> 00:08:52,090 I hope to see y'all. 149 00:08:52,090 --> 00:08:53,770 You might want to come to the summer. 150 00:08:53,770 --> 00:09:01,045 To the people who are graduating, 151 00:09:01,045 --> 00:09:05,050 if you want to get a good experience, 152 00:09:05,050 --> 00:09:08,210 you need to come visit us. 153 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:16,930 Well, just come visit. 154 00:09:16,930 --> 00:09:29,320 As Eliza said, my name is Lily, 155 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,780 and I coordinate SPRI in the John Perkins Center which 156 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:34,885 stands for Seattle Pacific Regional International. 157 00:09:34,885 --> 00:09:36,580 I have had the opportunity to work with 158 00:09:36,580 --> 00:09:38,320 John Perkins Center for 159 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,850 every single year that I've 160 00:09:39,850 --> 00:09:41,740 been in SPU and I'm graduating. 161 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:45,385 I just thought it was an immense privilege to learn from 162 00:09:45,385 --> 00:09:47,200 John Perkins' wisdom in 163 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,705 community development and in leadership. 164 00:09:49,705 --> 00:09:51,730 That's why I'm delighted to introduce him to you. 165 00:09:51,730 --> 00:09:53,050 Dr. John Perkins is 166 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:55,165 an evangelical leader in reconciliation. 167 00:09:55,165 --> 00:09:56,890 Known speaker and author. 168 00:09:56,890 --> 00:09:58,540 Civil rights legacy was 169 00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:00,655 an incredible story of reconciliation. 170 00:10:00,655 --> 00:10:01,930 He's helped coined what is 171 00:10:01,930 --> 00:10:03,775 leadership even all the principles, 172 00:10:03,775 --> 00:10:06,430 whose focus on sustainable community among the poor and 173 00:10:06,430 --> 00:10:09,745 vulnerable in order to rebuild disadvantaged communities. 174 00:10:09,745 --> 00:10:11,440 He's the founding president of the John and 175 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,030 Vera Mae Perkins Foundation, 176 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:15,655 co-founder of the Development Association, 177 00:10:15,655 --> 00:10:17,020 and the current visionary of 178 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:18,835 John Perkins center here in SPU. 179 00:10:18,835 --> 00:10:20,440 He's authored more than a dozen books 180 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,730 including his most recent book, 181 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:23,050 One blood: Parting Words to 182 00:10:23,050 --> 00:10:24,550 the Church on Race and Love, 183 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:27,550 and has received several honorary doctorates from 184 00:10:27,550 --> 00:10:29,125 universities across the nation, 185 00:10:29,125 --> 00:10:30,655 including Seattle Pacific. 186 00:10:30,655 --> 00:10:32,350 He's here with us alongside his daughters, 187 00:10:32,350 --> 00:10:34,135 Elizabeth Perkins and Priscilla Perkins. 188 00:10:34,135 --> 00:10:35,860 In 2016, were 189 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:38,320 appointed co-presidents of the foundation Jackson. 190 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,420 Just as Dr. Perkins was awarded 191 00:10:40,420 --> 00:10:41,770 the Abraham Kuyper Prize for 192 00:10:41,770 --> 00:10:44,290 Excellence in Reformed Theology and Public Life. 193 00:10:44,290 --> 00:10:46,930 It is always an honor to have Dr. Perkins here with us. 194 00:10:46,930 --> 00:10:56,680 Hello, friends. I'm Josephina I 195 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:57,790 serve in the John M. Perkins 196 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:59,815 Center as the urban involvement coordinator. 197 00:10:59,815 --> 00:11:01,870 Through this work, I have the privilege to 198 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:03,745 explore myself on identity, 199 00:11:03,745 --> 00:11:05,140 culture, and community. 200 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:06,850 Because of this, I'm excited 201 00:11:06,850 --> 00:11:09,280 to learn and receive from my speaker today. 202 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,580 Pastor Erna Kim Hackett, is a leader, 203 00:11:12,580 --> 00:11:13,870 preacher, writer, 204 00:11:13,870 --> 00:11:16,045 racial justice, and diversity specialist. 205 00:11:16,045 --> 00:11:18,100 She's passionate about encouraging election 206 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,770 racial of women of color and race. 207 00:11:20,770 --> 00:11:23,200 Pastor Erna Hackett is 208 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,875 Korean and white woman 209 00:11:26,875 --> 00:11:28,000 originally from Seattle but 210 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,695 currently residing in California. 211 00:11:29,695 --> 00:11:32,260 She holds a masters in intercultural studies from 212 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:35,650 NAIITS and a indigenous community degree. 213 00:11:35,650 --> 00:11:38,395 She has worked on staff with 214 00:11:38,395 --> 00:11:40,390 InterVarsity Christian Fellowship for 215 00:11:40,390 --> 00:11:43,060 18 years in Black Campus Ministries and Urban Programs. 216 00:11:43,060 --> 00:11:45,025 She focused on leadership development and equipping 217 00:11:45,025 --> 00:11:47,785 leaders in building racially just adverse communities. 218 00:11:47,785 --> 00:11:50,050 She recently finished her leadership at 219 00:11:50,050 --> 00:11:52,645 the Christian Community Development Association. 220 00:11:52,645 --> 00:11:55,450 As Pastor Erna Hackett is the executive pastor of 221 00:11:55,450 --> 00:11:58,180 The Way Berkeley Center California. 222 00:11:58,180 --> 00:12:01,450 We're excited to have you with us today. 223 00:12:01,450 --> 00:12:03,970 After today you can engage more with 224 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:07,465 Pastor Erna Hackett through her blog Feisty Thoughts. 225 00:12:07,465 --> 00:12:10,150 Please join us in welcoming Erna Hackett. 226 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:11,570 Good morning. 227 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:21,820 Good morning. 228 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:22,900 It's a pleasure to be here. 229 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:24,935 I grew up in Seattle, 230 00:12:24,935 --> 00:12:27,090 Alderwood Mall was my mall. 231 00:12:27,090 --> 00:12:30,930 It's a real happening place in the 80s. 232 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:33,750 It's an honor to be here with Dr. Perkins. 233 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:35,790 I first heard Dr. Perkins speak in 234 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:38,300 the summer of '95 at Harambee, 235 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:40,540 and have been a part of CCDA, 236 00:12:40,540 --> 00:12:42,400 and its conferences for many years so I 237 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,755 really appreciate the chance to be here. 238 00:12:44,755 --> 00:12:47,485 Time is limited, so that's all the friendliness. 239 00:12:47,485 --> 00:12:48,640 We go, are we ready? 240 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,060 We're talking about 241 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:55,300 words having power and because words have power, 242 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:58,165 we need to be thinking about who is framing 243 00:12:58,165 --> 00:13:02,830 our theology and who is giving us our theological words? 244 00:13:02,830 --> 00:13:05,395 Who's defining what is sin? 245 00:13:05,395 --> 00:13:08,095 Who is defining what is justice? 246 00:13:08,095 --> 00:13:09,430 Who is framing that? 247 00:13:09,430 --> 00:13:11,440 Not only are we trying to move towards those things, 248 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,450 but have we examined who is 249 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:15,760 giving us the language that is framing that journey? 250 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,080 To kick us off, 251 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,900 I want to jump into Luke Chapter 1. 252 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:21,580 I like to picture the Bible, 253 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:23,410 so I want you to visualize it with me. 254 00:13:23,410 --> 00:13:25,210 This is often an advent scripture, 255 00:13:25,210 --> 00:13:27,625 but it's really a foundational scripture for me. 256 00:13:27,625 --> 00:13:31,030 Luke often compares two people 257 00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:34,675 having a similar experience with different responses. 258 00:13:34,675 --> 00:13:37,360 You have two people going up to pray or 259 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,610 two sons with the same father and in this instance, 260 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:40,660 you have two people with 261 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:43,210 an angelic visitation and some news about a baby. 262 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:46,675 The first person we see is Zechariah. 263 00:13:46,675 --> 00:13:48,070 You got to picture, there's 264 00:13:48,070 --> 00:13:52,390 been a long period of waiting. 265 00:13:52,390 --> 00:13:58,195 Then we open up on the temple in Jerusalem. 266 00:13:58,195 --> 00:14:01,330 You had to think this is pre-Internet, pre-electricity, 267 00:14:01,330 --> 00:14:03,970 pre-everyone-travels-everywhere so the temple 268 00:14:03,970 --> 00:14:06,340 is a spectacle like the light hits it, 269 00:14:06,340 --> 00:14:07,570 and it just shines, and you can 270 00:14:07,570 --> 00:14:09,085 see it from miles around. 271 00:14:09,085 --> 00:14:11,365 When something starts happening at the temple, 272 00:14:11,365 --> 00:14:13,165 you can feel in the audience, you're like, 273 00:14:13,165 --> 00:14:16,375 yes, good things happen there God is there I'm ready. 274 00:14:16,375 --> 00:14:18,055 Then the camera pans in, 275 00:14:18,055 --> 00:14:19,180 and the people are coming in 276 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:20,215 for worship, and you'd be like, 277 00:14:20,215 --> 00:14:21,910 yes, worship, temple, 278 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:24,715 ready. Then it's Zechariah. 279 00:14:24,715 --> 00:14:27,745 Zechariah is having a day as a priest 280 00:14:27,745 --> 00:14:31,045 because at that time there was 8,000 different priests, 281 00:14:31,045 --> 00:14:32,620 there is 24 divisions, 282 00:14:32,620 --> 00:14:34,675 there was 300 priests in each division, 283 00:14:34,675 --> 00:14:36,880 each division serve for two weeks a year, 284 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,280 56 priests participated a day, 285 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,825 there were two services a day, 286 00:14:40,825 --> 00:14:43,360 they would draw lots and if you drew lots, 287 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,115 you only got to do it once. 288 00:14:45,115 --> 00:14:47,875 Zechariah had drawn the lot that day, 289 00:14:47,875 --> 00:14:49,375 which meant he was going to get to go 290 00:14:49,375 --> 00:14:51,130 even deeper into the temple 291 00:14:51,130 --> 00:14:52,840 like the incense while 292 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,715 the people of God are praying outside. 293 00:14:54,715 --> 00:14:56,960 You feel like going deeper inside to 294 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,090 the incense place is on. 295 00:15:00,090 --> 00:15:02,230 This is where the music picks 296 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:03,850 up, the intensity is coming. 297 00:15:03,850 --> 00:15:06,235 Suddenly, an angel appears. 298 00:15:06,235 --> 00:15:08,530 It's on, you can feel it. 299 00:15:08,530 --> 00:15:12,070 Angels too, not a baby fat angel like a powerful angel. 300 00:15:12,070 --> 00:15:13,670 People are scared of angels in scripture, 301 00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:15,475 so don't picture just a little fat white baby. 302 00:15:15,475 --> 00:15:17,960 Picture something powerful and authoritative showing up. 303 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,320 You can feel all this waiting, all this silence, 304 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,480 and now an angel has shown up says, 305 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,940 "Zechariah, God has heard your prayers. 306 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:27,530 You are going to have 307 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:30,705 this child you've been waiting for forever." 308 00:15:30,705 --> 00:15:32,515 You're like, yes. 309 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:33,745 It's on. 310 00:15:33,745 --> 00:15:36,550 Old people waiting for babies is such an us thing, 311 00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:39,420 you can feel the audience saying, God's doing it. 312 00:15:39,420 --> 00:15:44,630 Then Zechariah has the wrong response. 313 00:15:44,630 --> 00:15:48,425 His response is not one of faith and trust. 314 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:51,365 Then this angel steps up and starts talking 315 00:15:51,365 --> 00:15:54,980 just this could use trash. You can just feel it. 316 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:56,900 Zechariah is like, I don't think 317 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:58,760 that's going to happen and the angel's like, 318 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,080 you must not know where I recently came from. 319 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,255 Is the presence of the living God. 320 00:16:05,255 --> 00:16:08,810 Also, my name, Gabriel. 321 00:16:08,810 --> 00:16:12,470 You, you're going to stop talking now for 322 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:16,625 the next nine months because your mouth is talking crazy. 323 00:16:16,625 --> 00:16:19,660 If this is the needle off the record, 324 00:16:19,660 --> 00:16:23,690 we waited hundreds of years for this unfaithful response. 325 00:16:23,690 --> 00:16:25,520 What's happening? 326 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,030 Now the camera's panning back, 327 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:28,760 and we're going to leave the temple. 328 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,915 We're going to leave Jerusalem, 329 00:16:30,915 --> 00:16:33,210 and we're going to leave past that first suburb 330 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:36,210 where people still think it's Seattle. 331 00:16:36,210 --> 00:16:37,850 Then we're going to go even further 332 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:39,260 out to that suburb that you only 333 00:16:39,260 --> 00:16:40,520 stop at for gas and a 334 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,400 burger before you really getting into Podunk, 335 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,240 Washington, and then you're going to go even 336 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,520 further to that town that's super obscure, 337 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,350 and you feel like everybody's homeschooled there. 338 00:16:48,350 --> 00:16:50,059 You're going to go even further 339 00:16:50,059 --> 00:16:52,355 to a town nobody's ever heard of, 340 00:16:52,355 --> 00:16:53,870 and in that town is 341 00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:58,555 a 13-year-old illiterate girl living an anonymous life. 342 00:16:58,555 --> 00:17:01,670 She is destined to live the life of 343 00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:05,090 just about every other no-name girl of her time. 344 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:06,530 She's going to live, 345 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:08,240 get married, have multiple children. 346 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Probably, lose some of them. 347 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,940 Not travel far from the city 348 00:17:10,940 --> 00:17:15,105 she grew up in and die anonymously. 349 00:17:15,105 --> 00:17:18,560 She also gets an angelic appearance 350 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,810 that says you have been 351 00:17:20,810 --> 00:17:23,660 chosen to partner with 352 00:17:23,660 --> 00:17:25,790 the living God in one of 353 00:17:25,790 --> 00:17:28,830 the most intimate ways that you can partner. 354 00:17:28,830 --> 00:17:33,220 Bringing his child into this world. 355 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:35,540 Even though she has some questions 356 00:17:35,540 --> 00:17:36,800 about how that's going to work, 357 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,360 the angel doesn't see it as 358 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:41,225 the same questioning response as Zechariah, 359 00:17:41,225 --> 00:17:42,470 and her responses is, 360 00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:49,140 may be to me according to your word. Amazing. 361 00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:53,350 This opening snapshot in Luke lets us 362 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:57,940 know that the people with the religious degrees, 363 00:17:57,940 --> 00:17:59,410 the people with the role, 364 00:17:59,410 --> 00:18:00,760 the people at the title, 365 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,350 the people in the institution, 366 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:03,940 the people that you think are going to be 367 00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:05,845 the models of faithfulness, 368 00:18:05,845 --> 00:18:07,750 the people that you think are going to give you 369 00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:10,660 all the theology you need to be orthodox, 370 00:18:10,660 --> 00:18:13,630 those people are not the ones that are 371 00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:14,710 going to lead the way into 372 00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:16,630 this revolutionary new kingdom. 373 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:19,960 Those people will be taking a seat for a moment. 374 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,365 Instead, this one over here, 375 00:18:23,365 --> 00:18:24,760 written off, discarded, 376 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,385 at the margins of society in every way, 377 00:18:27,385 --> 00:18:29,230 it is her understanding of what has 378 00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:31,315 happened to herself because she picks up, 379 00:18:31,315 --> 00:18:32,650 goes to Elizabeth's house, 380 00:18:32,650 --> 00:18:34,195 and you've got to think, Elizabeth's house? 381 00:18:34,195 --> 00:18:35,380 Elizabeth is married to Zechariah. 382 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:36,940 Elizabeth's house is real quiet 383 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:38,860 lately because Zechariah is in silence. 384 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:40,630 It says, when 385 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:42,520 Mary shows up Elizabeth doesn't go, 386 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,900 "My husband is struggling, 387 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:45,415 so I must sit silently by." 388 00:18:45,415 --> 00:18:48,640 She greets Mary with a loud voice. 389 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,920 This old pregnant lady and this young 390 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,665 knocked up teenage girl exegete 391 00:18:53,665 --> 00:18:59,245 and create theology off of the coming birth of Jesus. 392 00:18:59,245 --> 00:19:00,880 People try to write off what Mary 393 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,650 does by calling it a cute little poem, 394 00:19:02,650 --> 00:19:03,910 and saying it's a Magnificat, 395 00:19:03,910 --> 00:19:05,470 and singing weird songs like Mary, 396 00:19:05,470 --> 00:19:07,540 Do You Know? Girl knows. 397 00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:11,680 For sure dude wrote that song, she knows. 398 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,920 She lays out in the Magnificat 399 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,520 what is the theological foundation of the book of Luke. 400 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:22,780 He's shown strength with his arm, 401 00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:24,190 he scatters the proud, 402 00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:26,110 he's brought down the powerful, 403 00:19:26,110 --> 00:19:27,940 filled the hungry with good things, 404 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:29,860 sent the rich away empty, 405 00:19:29,860 --> 00:19:31,765 and helped his servant Israel. 406 00:19:31,765 --> 00:19:33,460 She takes what is happening to 407 00:19:33,460 --> 00:19:35,680 her body and her experience with God, 408 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,415 she exegetes it into theology. 409 00:19:39,415 --> 00:19:42,940 She exegetes her lived experience 410 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:44,680 into a theological framework 411 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,780 that later Jesus jumps off on, 412 00:19:46,780 --> 00:19:48,625 John the Baptist jumps off on it. 413 00:19:48,625 --> 00:19:51,220 Jesus talks about it, Luke 4, 414 00:19:51,220 --> 00:19:52,705 the Sermon on the Plain, 415 00:19:52,705 --> 00:19:54,175 that whole framework, though, 416 00:19:54,175 --> 00:19:57,319 is launched off by Mary. 417 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,770 What I see here is that we need to be paying attention to 418 00:20:02,770 --> 00:20:05,020 theology shaped by those 419 00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:08,230 from the margins. Now, this is different. 420 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:09,490 This is how often when you're in 421 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:10,570 Christian spaces when we talk 422 00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:11,935 about theology from the margins, 423 00:20:11,935 --> 00:20:14,995 it's like a Christmas tree. 424 00:20:14,995 --> 00:20:18,355 The Christmas tree is white male theology. 425 00:20:18,355 --> 00:20:22,675 Theology by anyone else is like cute decorative theology. 426 00:20:22,675 --> 00:20:25,195 This is the main thing, 427 00:20:25,195 --> 00:20:27,145 that's nice ladies, 428 00:20:27,145 --> 00:20:31,540 it's good for you black liberation theologians. 429 00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:34,434 That's nice Moorhead is the theology. 430 00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:36,040 But the main thing, 431 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,035 the thing that gets called theology, 432 00:20:38,035 --> 00:20:41,545 is always still shaped by white men. 433 00:20:41,545 --> 00:20:43,300 But that is not what we are 434 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:45,790 invited to do if I look at Luke 1. 435 00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:48,370 Theology is supposed to be shaped 436 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:52,370 by those on the margins. 437 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,590 When black folks exegete the policing of 438 00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:59,545 their bodies and state-sanctioned violence, 439 00:20:59,545 --> 00:21:01,990 it isn't political, it's theological. 440 00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:03,670 When dreamers come out of 441 00:21:03,670 --> 00:21:08,245 the shadows and ask for dignity for their experience, 442 00:21:08,245 --> 00:21:11,200 it's not illegal, it's theological. 443 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,095 When poor folks say they need to be paid more 444 00:21:14,095 --> 00:21:16,390 in order to have housing while 445 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:19,060 working for companies where CEOs get paid 446 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:21,910 350 percent more than their average employee, 447 00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:24,700 it's not socialism, it's theological. 448 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,010 When queer folks ask for more than 449 00:21:27,010 --> 00:21:29,245 just being tolerated in a space, 450 00:21:29,245 --> 00:21:32,980 it's not identity politics, it's theological. 451 00:21:32,980 --> 00:21:35,005 I know you can listen to that and be like, 452 00:21:35,005 --> 00:21:36,715 "Oh girl must be progressive." 453 00:21:36,715 --> 00:21:38,830 It's also not just about being labeled as 454 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:41,545 progressive or conservative, because frankly, 455 00:21:41,545 --> 00:21:43,360 conservative white Christianity 456 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,770 and progressive white Christianity 457 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:47,200 is still rooted in problematic whiteness. 458 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,970 We need a theology that is more 459 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:51,010 radical than either end of a whiteness 460 00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:53,920 anchored response to the injustices 461 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,300 and things that we see in the world. 462 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:06,100 We need to wrestle with the reality 463 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:08,110 that theology that was shaped by 464 00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:11,050 privileged white heterosexual men is 465 00:22:11,050 --> 00:22:14,425 what energized and anchored the doctrine of discovery, 466 00:22:14,425 --> 00:22:18,590 which drove genocide on the land that we live in. 467 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,735 You need to understand, I'm not talking like 468 00:22:21,735 --> 00:22:24,365 individual like I don't like white dudes, 469 00:22:24,365 --> 00:22:26,920 I married a white dude, I know white dudes. 470 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,780 We're talking systemic, 471 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:32,320 institutional, larger systems, cool? 472 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,610 Come out of the fetal position. 473 00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:40,510 White male theology, 474 00:22:40,510 --> 00:22:43,240 land-owning, privileged, capitalism driven theology, 475 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,110 justified slavery, 476 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:49,320 justified Jim Crow justifies mass incarceration. 477 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,280 Theology by those in power needs to be examined, 478 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,050 and if it is those people who have 479 00:22:55,050 --> 00:22:57,500 been defining what sin is. 480 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:02,425 Sin is looking at porn, not mass incarceration. 481 00:23:02,425 --> 00:23:06,775 Violence is women in leadership, 482 00:23:06,775 --> 00:23:09,565 that's the terrible thing that's happening in the church. 483 00:23:09,565 --> 00:23:11,740 Who's defining what violence is? 484 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:13,300 Who's defining what sin is? 485 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,144 Who's defining the significance 486 00:23:15,144 --> 00:23:17,140 of what happened on the cross? 487 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:21,745 Western theology is incredibly individualistic. 488 00:23:21,745 --> 00:23:24,970 If you ask most people raised under Western theology, 489 00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:26,860 why did Jesus die on the cross? 490 00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:28,780 Jesus died for my sins. 491 00:23:28,780 --> 00:23:30,970 How individualistic is that? 492 00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:33,700 How, if you've indoctrinated people with 493 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:35,830 an individualistic theology and 494 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:37,660 an individualistic understanding of 495 00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:38,905 what happened on the cross, 496 00:23:38,905 --> 00:23:40,990 are you ever going to get free of 497 00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:42,820 institutions and systems 498 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,770 of marginalization and oppression? 499 00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:48,910 Our theology is too reductionistic, 500 00:23:48,910 --> 00:23:51,790 and it's been shaped by those who are privileged. 501 00:23:51,790 --> 00:23:53,350 I don't just say that because you'd be like, 502 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:54,385 "Well, that's nice for you, 503 00:23:54,385 --> 00:23:56,815 girlfriend, woman of color, you would like that." 504 00:23:56,815 --> 00:23:58,210 I would like that. It is 505 00:23:58,210 --> 00:23:59,590 nice to be on the margin sometimes, 506 00:23:59,590 --> 00:24:02,350 but in other moments, I am privileged. 507 00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:04,570 As a heterosexual woman, 508 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:06,370 as a cisgender person, 509 00:24:06,370 --> 00:24:09,370 I'm very privileged in Christian spaces, 510 00:24:09,370 --> 00:24:12,385 so I need to be listening to those on the margins. 511 00:24:12,385 --> 00:24:13,990 When I'm in Christian spaces 512 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:15,190 as a woman of color preacher, 513 00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:16,300 man I can't even tell you 514 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:17,950 how many Korean-American pastors felt free 515 00:24:17,950 --> 00:24:21,040 to sit me down and tell me I was not a legitimate leader. 516 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,575 I'm marginalized in those spaces. 517 00:24:23,575 --> 00:24:25,450 When I work into a Christian space, 518 00:24:25,450 --> 00:24:26,830 I work at a predominantly black church, 519 00:24:26,830 --> 00:24:29,770 the head pastor that I work with is a black man. 520 00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:31,210 When we walk into spaces, 521 00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:33,580 people take him seriously as a Christian leader 522 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:34,960 much faster than they take me 523 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,625 seriously as a Christian leader, 524 00:24:36,625 --> 00:24:40,150 but when we walk out onto the sidewalk from that place, 525 00:24:40,150 --> 00:24:41,950 I'm positioned in privilege. 526 00:24:41,950 --> 00:24:44,110 When we walk by a policeman, 527 00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:46,645 I know where I'm positioned systemically. 528 00:24:46,645 --> 00:24:48,370 In any given moment, 529 00:24:48,370 --> 00:24:50,860 I might move from the center to the margins. 530 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:52,630 When I'm thinking about 531 00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:56,020 my theological understanding of different situations, 532 00:24:56,020 --> 00:24:58,450 the language that I'm using 533 00:24:58,450 --> 00:25:00,925 has to come from those who are most impacted by it. 534 00:25:00,925 --> 00:25:02,680 My masters comes from 535 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,680 the Institute for Indigenous Theological Studies. 536 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,180 When I walked into that program, 537 00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:08,830 I knew nothing very 538 00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:10,900 much about what was going on for Native American folks. 539 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:12,250 The first thing that happens when 540 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:13,885 I went into that program, 541 00:25:13,885 --> 00:25:16,465 all the professors are Native American Christians 542 00:25:16,465 --> 00:25:18,145 as are many of the students, 543 00:25:18,145 --> 00:25:19,780 is people introduce themselves, 544 00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:21,190 and they say their name, and they say 545 00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:23,275 their tribe, and where they're from. 546 00:25:23,275 --> 00:25:25,015 Then, if you are non-Indigenous, 547 00:25:25,015 --> 00:25:26,635 you open with, "Hi, I'm Erna. 548 00:25:26,635 --> 00:25:28,540 I'm a settler." 549 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:32,260 Because that is the language those who are most impacted 550 00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:35,590 by settler colonialism are asking me to use. 551 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:38,650 I don't go, but I didn't want to be a settler. 552 00:25:38,650 --> 00:25:40,480 I didn't even know settler colonialism was 553 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,865 a thing. That's not. 554 00:25:42,865 --> 00:25:44,290 What I say is, 555 00:25:44,290 --> 00:25:46,210 you're most impacted by it, 556 00:25:46,210 --> 00:25:48,100 you have the best understanding of it. 557 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,960 Systems that I am privileged 558 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,675 by exist to make me blind to them, 559 00:25:52,675 --> 00:25:54,730 so I'm not an expert on them and I need to be 560 00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:57,370 led by those who are most impacted by them, 561 00:25:57,370 --> 00:25:59,110 and not vice versa, 562 00:25:59,110 --> 00:26:01,270 systems that I'm marginalized in, 563 00:26:01,270 --> 00:26:02,290 I understand better than 564 00:26:02,290 --> 00:26:03,400 those who are privileged by them, 565 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520 so people need to listen to me on them. 566 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,615 I'm willing to use the language that they provide me. 567 00:26:10,615 --> 00:26:16,390 I'm on clothes, but 568 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:20,660 I want to challenge us and invite us to consider, 569 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:23,655 who is framing your theology? 570 00:26:23,655 --> 00:26:26,475 Who is framing your language? 571 00:26:26,475 --> 00:26:29,640 Are you anchored in language and theology that comes 572 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,260 from those that are privileged by the system? 573 00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:38,080 If you are, you need to reconsider that and understand, 574 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,970 you will never be able to dismantle 575 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:41,650 a system with the theology 576 00:26:41,650 --> 00:26:44,540 created by those who benefit from it. 577 00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:48,880 Part of it is not trusting like, yeah, 578 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,170 we would much rather hold on to 579 00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:53,080 a paternalistic interplay with those on the margins. 580 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,850 But what happens with Mary is 581 00:26:54,850 --> 00:26:56,500 God isn't like, "Zechariah, 582 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,160 you do you, and you just be nice to Mary." 583 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,440 Zechariah has to be silent, 584 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:08,245 and Mary goes from the margins all the way to the center. 585 00:27:08,245 --> 00:27:17,090 Amen. 586 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:29,050 Amen. 587 00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:31,017 Amen. 588 00:27:31,017 --> 00:27:37,400 Thank you pastor for those words, for those challenges. 589 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,230 We want to just take a moment. 590 00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:43,240 Can I turn focus and we're going to 591 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,505 try to have a conversation here. 592 00:27:45,505 --> 00:27:50,620 Dr. Perkins, we'd love to 593 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:55,285 engage in the remaining that we have in a conversation. 594 00:27:55,285 --> 00:27:57,400 I'll be asking some questions to both of 595 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,890 you and hopefully, 596 00:27:59,890 --> 00:28:02,275 we can dig into a little bit of something. 597 00:28:02,275 --> 00:28:05,680 We don't have a lot of time, but we do have some time. 598 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,575 Dr. Perkins though, let's start with you as 599 00:28:10,575 --> 00:28:17,490 the birthing leader of what is modern-day reconciliation. 600 00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:21,850 Why and how have you 601 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:26,110 used the word reconciliation in the Gospel? 602 00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:29,710 How has that shaped what you've lived into until what 603 00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:33,950 you see the current movement? 604 00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:41,130 Reconciliation is the most 605 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:46,990 redemptive of the redemptiveness of the gospel. 606 00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:54,230 You've got to understand that, what is reconciliation? 607 00:28:56,310 --> 00:29:02,695 It seemed like we have rediscovered it in modern days. 608 00:29:02,695 --> 00:29:05,095 The problem might be, 609 00:29:05,095 --> 00:29:10,570 we have lost the meaning and 610 00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:17,480 the motivation for reconciliation. 611 00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:21,460 It is the word. 612 00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:28,210 It comes out of the story of the incarnation. 613 00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:31,735 When man sinned against God, 614 00:29:31,735 --> 00:29:37,870 he violated God by asking a question about God, 615 00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:40,060 what God has said, 616 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:44,960 and that brought the world sin and death. 617 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:51,040 Reconciliation was God's way of 618 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,280 affirming His love and 619 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,000 His justice and a dignity of humanity. 620 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:03,250 We're going to hear him say that God was in 621 00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:06,895 Christ reconciling the world unto himself. 622 00:30:06,895 --> 00:30:08,665 The glorious part of that, 623 00:30:08,665 --> 00:30:11,110 that He enlisted you and me once we are 624 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:14,725 reconciled to Him as his helpers, 625 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:18,835 as his reconcilers in the world. 626 00:30:18,835 --> 00:30:25,840 We bring the good news that God has come to reconcile us. 627 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,800 That was the original good news to the shepherds. 628 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,035 Behold I bring you good news of great joy, 629 00:30:35,035 --> 00:30:37,255 which shall be to all people. 630 00:30:37,255 --> 00:30:40,465 For unto us is born this day in the city of David, 631 00:30:40,465 --> 00:30:43,030 a Savior which is Christ the Lord. 632 00:30:43,030 --> 00:30:48,235 But the main problem is that we was 633 00:30:48,235 --> 00:30:54,850 broken in terms of our relationship to this one God. 634 00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:57,400 Reconciliation and the way we do 635 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,935 it today makes the wrong assumption, 636 00:30:59,935 --> 00:31:04,495 the wrong assumption that there is too many races. 637 00:31:04,495 --> 00:31:07,390 The Bible make the assumption that 638 00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:10,015 there's one God, one mediator, 639 00:31:10,015 --> 00:31:13,270 and He made from one blood all the nation 640 00:31:13,270 --> 00:31:17,810 and the people to live up on earth is wrong-headed. 641 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,390 The motivation, what is the motivation? 642 00:31:22,390 --> 00:31:26,485 Is to establish love and justice, 643 00:31:26,485 --> 00:31:29,635 to bring us back to the way He made us, 644 00:31:29,635 --> 00:31:32,095 to make us want again. 645 00:31:32,095 --> 00:31:34,990 Now we are dealing basically with 646 00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:38,950 the issue that come out of reconciliation. 647 00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:43,630 But God is reconciling all things under Himself, 648 00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:47,920 but He don't want to do it alone. 649 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680 He wants to reconcile us to 650 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,270 Himself and then we become ministers of reconciliation. 651 00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:58,390 We are His ambassadors for Christ, 652 00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:03,740 so the motivation is very wrong-headed. 653 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,050 That's what one blood is trying to 654 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:09,580 establish that there is 655 00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:13,355 one human race and a God has come. 656 00:32:13,355 --> 00:32:16,065 You won't hit the mark. 657 00:32:16,065 --> 00:32:19,155 We're missing the mark and we're using 658 00:32:19,155 --> 00:32:21,675 all of our time working 659 00:32:21,675 --> 00:32:27,125 on the main issue that mankind is broken, 660 00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:31,330 and you want to reconcile broken humanity and use 661 00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:33,550 that broken humanity as 662 00:32:33,550 --> 00:32:36,820 His ambassadors of reconciliation. 663 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:39,385 Dr. Perkins, I hear you 664 00:32:39,385 --> 00:32:43,690 rooting reconciliation in the gospel and rooting it 665 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:47,695 in this foundation of God 666 00:32:47,695 --> 00:32:49,900 who's seeing us in 667 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,495 our fullness and seeing in us in our full dignity. 668 00:32:52,495 --> 00:32:57,865 However, Pastor Hackett, I think that 669 00:32:57,865 --> 00:33:01,090 you are speaking from 670 00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:03,880 a different lens and a lens that is, 671 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280 I feel like I often hear a lot of 672 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,490 students questioning in terms of reconciliation. 673 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,710 That question of has the work of 674 00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:15,235 reconciliation moved a little bit or that sense and need 675 00:33:15,235 --> 00:33:20,125 to use different language but even in 676 00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:22,570 reflection of your words to us today 677 00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:25,885 and talking about white culture. 678 00:33:25,885 --> 00:33:30,685 I wouldn't assume and know that 679 00:33:30,685 --> 00:33:33,700 from what Dr. Perkins was saying 680 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,210 that in terms of God recognizing people's humility, 681 00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:38,950 I don't know if white culture and 682 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:41,350 white supremacy culture recognizes 683 00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:43,105 the dignity of everyone. 684 00:33:43,105 --> 00:33:44,935 Can you speak a little bit 685 00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,290 to the language shift that you're seeing? 686 00:33:47,290 --> 00:33:49,330 Sure. I feel like we're 687 00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:51,265 holding Dr. Perkins back by putting them in a chair. 688 00:33:51,265 --> 00:33:53,200 Did anyone else feel that? I'm sorry, 689 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,880 Dr. Perkins, we made you sit down during this time. 690 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,040 I think that 691 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,495 who's getting to define the words. 692 00:34:01,495 --> 00:34:04,780 For example, I think there's a resistance 693 00:34:04,780 --> 00:34:07,720 among folks around the word reconciliation in 2019, 694 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,370 not because there's a disagreement with 695 00:34:09,370 --> 00:34:12,490 the larger purpose or the movement towards justice. 696 00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:15,160 But feeling the word reconciliation got co-opted by 697 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,700 whiteness and it got co-opted by an individualistic lens. 698 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:20,980 Reconciliation instead of feeling like it 699 00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:23,155 was moving towards justice, 700 00:34:23,155 --> 00:34:26,350 became I want to feel you like me. 701 00:34:26,350 --> 00:34:28,375 So that whenever it was like, 702 00:34:28,375 --> 00:34:30,040 "I'm trying to say that there's something 703 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,975 problematic here in this system." 704 00:34:31,975 --> 00:34:33,820 Then white folks would do like, 705 00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:35,410 "You're making me feel bad." 706 00:34:35,410 --> 00:34:36,985 That means we're unreconciled. 707 00:34:36,985 --> 00:34:39,250 I was like, "Stop, we're on reconciled 708 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:43,420 because this entire system is dehumanizing me." 709 00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:45,625 Whether that be people 710 00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:49,690 experiencing police violence or whether that be in 2019, 711 00:34:49,690 --> 00:34:52,360 we had to pass a law so that black people could just wear 712 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,040 their hair the way grows out of 713 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,275 their heads in the workplace. 714 00:34:56,275 --> 00:34:59,200 In 2019, we're still having to pass laws so that 715 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,814 black folks can just be a black person, 716 00:35:02,814 --> 00:35:04,585 human wearing their hair 717 00:35:04,585 --> 00:35:06,550 the way it grows out of their head in the workplace. 718 00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:07,930 The fact that we're making laws around that, 719 00:35:07,930 --> 00:35:09,745 that's the actual injustice. 720 00:35:09,745 --> 00:35:12,220 If you treat somebody like, 721 00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:13,900 let's say you execute 722 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:15,880 a microaggression in the workplace against somebody 723 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,840 because they're wearing their hair 724 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,725 naturally and then they 725 00:35:17,725 --> 00:35:19,960 tell you that's problematic. 726 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,555 Then you say you've made us unreconciled, 727 00:35:22,555 --> 00:35:24,850 what's the actual problem? 728 00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:27,730 The problem is this dehumanizing action 729 00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:30,205 towards this black person in the workplace. 730 00:35:30,205 --> 00:35:33,385 But the co-opting of the reconciliation term has moved 731 00:35:33,385 --> 00:35:35,410 the problem over to white people feeling 732 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:37,585 bad about the actual problem. 733 00:35:37,585 --> 00:35:42,520 I think folks, Millennials are calling out. 734 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,125 We want to get there, 735 00:35:44,125 --> 00:35:45,940 but the term has lost 736 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:48,025 its potency because now it's in the hands 737 00:35:48,025 --> 00:35:49,930 of the privileged and so people 738 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:52,360 want a more systemic and institutional language. 739 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,740 Yeah. I think you're on to something. 740 00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:00,370 I think there's something before that, 741 00:36:00,370 --> 00:36:06,490 that we are Equally broken and we 742 00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:13,070 have made our own ideas about reconciliation. 743 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:21,040 We have missed the dignity of the humanity and 744 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,700 the motivation for God's reconciliation 745 00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,720 and what the good news of the gospel is all about. 746 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:35,150 We are broken evenly, white and black. 747 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:41,395 We both have believed 748 00:36:41,395 --> 00:36:46,960 a lie by the devil and by society. 749 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,000 One has made us believe that we are superior, 750 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,590 and the other one, 751 00:36:53,590 --> 00:36:56,350 in a long history has made 752 00:36:56,350 --> 00:37:01,820 another feel inferior and has color-coded that. 753 00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:08,605 I think what we are missing, 754 00:37:08,605 --> 00:37:11,770 we are missing the inherited dignity. 755 00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:14,620 I think God's suffering and 756 00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:18,220 his pain and the way he redeemed us, 757 00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:21,715 is showing his deep love 758 00:37:21,715 --> 00:37:25,150 for humanity and so the problem is, 759 00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:27,670 we both have believed a lie, 760 00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:31,525 and then we use it 761 00:37:31,525 --> 00:37:36,970 based upon our selfishness and advantage. 762 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:41,875 Sin itself is the lust of the flesh, 763 00:37:41,875 --> 00:37:44,770 the lust of the eye, and a pride of life. 764 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:47,230 That's what a firm Jesus has being 765 00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:50,770 God when he was on earth, he resisted that. 766 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:54,430 He resisted that and so what we do is that 767 00:37:54,430 --> 00:37:58,975 we are sinners and we broke, 768 00:37:58,975 --> 00:38:03,730 and we will find a way to 769 00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:05,860 dehumanize the other one and 770 00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:09,950 the last dehumanization is killing each other. 771 00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:16,840 As I said, it's genocide type of killing. 772 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,025 Because that was the original Killing, an ally. 773 00:38:21,025 --> 00:38:24,565 I think that we 774 00:38:24,565 --> 00:38:27,910 somewhat today this generation is someone playing 775 00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:31,320 a game in society and they 776 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,735 are coming back and affirming man dignity. 777 00:38:35,735 --> 00:38:40,060 In the image of God created them, 778 00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:43,780 and He kissed life into that clay and 779 00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:47,500 we became a living soul, equal. 780 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:51,445 We don't believe in equality anymore. We are so broken. 781 00:38:51,445 --> 00:38:54,950 We believe in ourselves, 782 00:38:55,710 --> 00:39:00,385 and point of our problem is out of self-addiction. 783 00:39:00,385 --> 00:39:05,950 Some of our problem is we're calling God alive. 784 00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:10,555 We are questioning whose life matter. 785 00:39:10,555 --> 00:39:13,060 That's an insane asylum. 786 00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:15,625 That was never supposed to be question. 787 00:39:15,625 --> 00:39:18,130 That's a statement about 788 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:21,550 God and it's a statement about humanity. 789 00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:29,200 Until we come back and affirm our brokenness and a sign 790 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,650 of our healing is that we are willing to enter 791 00:39:32,650 --> 00:39:37,150 into the pain of our broken sisters and brother. 792 00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:39,385 That's our mild. 793 00:39:39,385 --> 00:39:41,680 Jesus came and entered into 794 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,400 our pain and it's in that pain, 795 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800 it's in that suffering, 796 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,520 come onto me all of you that are broken all of 797 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,255 us and I have a latent and I'll give you rest. 798 00:39:55,255 --> 00:39:57,025 Take my yoke off on you. 799 00:39:57,025 --> 00:40:00,340 learn a mean, I am me, I'm lonely. 800 00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:02,530 I love you, I love you, 801 00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:04,150 and what we're doing is playing 802 00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:08,125 a race game. That's create. 803 00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:11,620 Oh, we don't feel it would hate now. 804 00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:13,420 This is a game. 805 00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:15,955 This is a game, I like your analysis and all that. 806 00:40:15,955 --> 00:40:18,955 I like that, but I'm looking 807 00:40:18,955 --> 00:40:24,385 for growth in a solution that work, 808 00:40:24,385 --> 00:40:28,510 and when we find out that things are not working, 809 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:32,470 we need to look at that more creatively in our life. 810 00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:38,250 I think that some of what Pastor Hackett is 811 00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:40,650 bringing in that voice 812 00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:44,270 is trying to language. 813 00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:50,280 Absolutely. I'm not fighting you. 814 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,265 I'm coming back to the more original. 815 00:40:53,265 --> 00:40:57,150 You asked me a question about the nature reconciliation. 816 00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:00,240 See you are helping me. 817 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,480 You're talking about the broken parts. 818 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,285 I affirm that. 819 00:41:06,285 --> 00:41:09,285 I told you why folks think they are superior. 820 00:41:09,285 --> 00:41:11,630 The devil don't fool them. 821 00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:16,150 They had to put up a lot of sign and dehumanize black. 822 00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:18,010 We had to call them all of that, 823 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:19,855 we had to niggerize them. 824 00:41:19,855 --> 00:41:21,640 What the prompt. 825 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,970 I thank you all of my time today. 826 00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:27,070 I'm not going to be able to bring him 827 00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:30,325 the good news of God's redemptive love, 828 00:41:30,325 --> 00:41:35,125 and Jesus showed that the gospel is not only a statement, 829 00:41:35,125 --> 00:41:37,350 but it's a demonstration and he 830 00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:40,740 wrote love is a demonstration. 831 00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:44,055 We got to be the solution. 832 00:41:44,055 --> 00:41:46,110 We got to be the until 833 00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:48,860 the church is the body of that solution. 834 00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:52,660 The church hooks us up as friend and we 835 00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:56,470 walk together as friends in this broken world. 836 00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:58,570 We shine as light in 837 00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:01,524 the midst of a dark and broken world. 838 00:42:01,524 --> 00:42:05,035 He say, you are light, you are deciding. 839 00:42:05,035 --> 00:42:06,850 You will have enough with a lot of 840 00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:10,195 these pieces and how we're broken and you're 841 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:13,780 telling us about how the world is looking at that is not 842 00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:20,830 working but you are helping us, 843 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:24,295 and you asked me what was reconciliation? 844 00:42:24,295 --> 00:42:29,215 I'm saying it is God's solution to man dilemma. 845 00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:31,690 That God was in Christ, 846 00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:34,375 reconciling the world unto himself, 847 00:42:34,375 --> 00:42:37,435 and has given onto us to manage to reconciliation. 848 00:42:37,435 --> 00:42:39,745 Then Paul gets on his knees. 849 00:42:39,745 --> 00:42:42,745 He said, I beg you, I plead with you. 850 00:42:42,745 --> 00:42:45,475 Don't take God's grace, 851 00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:47,005 which is a solution, 852 00:42:47,005 --> 00:42:48,790 don't take it in vain. 853 00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:53,425 God has given us the solution in reconciliation, 854 00:42:53,425 --> 00:42:56,680 and that reconciliation is seen in 855 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,235 our love for the broken people of society. 856 00:43:00,235 --> 00:43:02,530 That's what I'm saying. I'm talking 857 00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:05,005 about here a solution. 858 00:43:05,005 --> 00:43:07,075 This one is not working. 859 00:43:07,075 --> 00:43:11,050 If it's not, spin ahead, 860 00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:12,805 it's going to be the next head. 861 00:43:12,805 --> 00:43:17,110 It's going to be those who have the economic power 862 00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:23,200 because justice is how we stew solution to problem. 863 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,935 Justice is how we manage the economy. 864 00:43:26,935 --> 00:43:30,160 Justice is how we deprive other from 865 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,400 open access to the society. 866 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,540 That's what the book of Ruth is about, 867 00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:41,410 is about how you enfranchise people and 868 00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:45,475 Ruth within franchise by Naomi's love. 869 00:43:45,475 --> 00:43:48,835 By her love in our society. 870 00:43:48,835 --> 00:43:50,320 Love one another. 871 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,360 For love is of God. 872 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,965 He had love as well. 873 00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:55,630 I'm talking about a solution 874 00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:57,970 in terms of reconciliation. That's all. 875 00:43:57,970 --> 00:44:07,180 I think he's brought us to. 876 00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:11,530 The season that we're in terms of Easter and Pastor Erna, 877 00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:15,520 I would love for you to respond in our closing times. 878 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,910 Just what is the impact you see as far 879 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:23,320 as the risen Christ and reconciliation 880 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,870 in His cause as we're addressing 881 00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:28,180 the reality of we're living in 882 00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:31,210 a system and we're living in a system of white culture? 883 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:34,180 Yeah, I think when I think about Easter, 884 00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:35,980 one of the things 885 00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:37,750 I've been thinking about in terms of expanding 886 00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:40,150 my understanding of what happens on the cross is 887 00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:43,000 going back to every football team's favorite Bible verse, 888 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,420 John 3:16, which is for God so loved the world. 889 00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:48,340 I think that we often collapsed that 890 00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,085 into for God so loved me. 891 00:44:51,085 --> 00:44:54,580 But if we really think it is because God so 892 00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:56,410 loved the world and we 893 00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:58,420 really think about what is held in that, 894 00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:59,920 that is not just individuals, 895 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,835 but all of cultures and all of peoples, 896 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:08,030 and all of systems and all of creation. 897 00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,860 All of creation saints like the world, 898 00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:14,215 like the Earth, like nature. 899 00:45:14,215 --> 00:45:17,830 When God looked at all of that and sending Jesus, 900 00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:19,780 then when I think about living in the Easter season, 901 00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:24,030 it's because God so loved not just individuals, 902 00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:26,340 but God so loved all that's contained in that, 903 00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:28,500 that the cross is meant to bring redemption and 904 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,095 reconciliation to all of that. 905 00:45:32,095 --> 00:45:36,700 I find that compelling. 906 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,060 I mean, we need an individual. 907 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:41,920 I was talking to somebody and they had 908 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,990 an incredibly insightful and incisive 909 00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:46,390 systemic and institutionalized analysis. 910 00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:49,165 But real talk, they were a jerk. 911 00:45:49,165 --> 00:45:52,900 You need an institutionalized and systemic analysis. 912 00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:55,750 You also need the ability to love radically, 913 00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:59,920 compassionately, and empathetically and you need both. 914 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,505 I think that there's just a mutual push, 915 00:46:03,505 --> 00:46:04,960 those who come from this end of 916 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,080 the spectrum like cancel culture, call-out culture. 917 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,550 There does need to be a sense of 918 00:46:09,550 --> 00:46:11,545 if you go into cancel culture, 919 00:46:11,545 --> 00:46:16,420 if you accept the underlying assumption 920 00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:19,180 that some people are disposable, 921 00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:20,830 we have to throw out 922 00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:23,425 the entire framework that people are disposable. 923 00:46:23,425 --> 00:46:25,805 If you're just changing who's disposable, 924 00:46:25,805 --> 00:46:28,005 we haven't really moved towards justice. 925 00:46:28,005 --> 00:46:30,375 If you have a strong institutional analysis, 926 00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:32,430 we need this push here and if you come from 927 00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:35,699 a strong individualistic interpersonal analysis, 928 00:46:35,699 --> 00:46:37,230 you need to be pushed towards 929 00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:39,660 an institutional analysis so that we 930 00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:43,750 can get there to redemption, 931 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:46,240 liberation, reconciliation, wholeness in Christ. 932 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:50,730 And you saying that the world is broken and 933 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:55,410 He reckons and you're saying it He's working silent, 934 00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:58,460 all things to Himself. 935 00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:02,845 God is God and He is a reconciler, 936 00:47:02,845 --> 00:47:07,720 and He is reconciling and redeeming all that is 937 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:14,950 broken by saying God reconciled it all. 938 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:16,975 When you know God, 939 00:47:16,975 --> 00:47:22,315 you know God as the creator and the reconciler. 940 00:47:22,315 --> 00:47:25,840 Yes, man is broken. 941 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,999 That's the first sign. 942 00:47:27,999 --> 00:47:31,090 The first sign is that he's broken. 943 00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:37,195 That's what begins to move you in terms of some energy 944 00:47:37,195 --> 00:47:40,690 and passion toward repentance 945 00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:43,285 so you can enter into that pain. 946 00:47:43,285 --> 00:47:46,000 It becomes really in the end, 947 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,195 all of God and not of us. 948 00:47:49,195 --> 00:47:51,535 It's all of God. 949 00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:57,040 He's using us as agents, that's the joy. 950 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,970 The joy is that a Holy God who wouldn't 951 00:48:00,970 --> 00:48:05,245 have to have us but loves us so much. 952 00:48:05,245 --> 00:48:13,300 He calms and redeems us and wooes us by His love into 953 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:17,170 the pain that He bore and 954 00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:21,280 we're to join him in that pain of redemption. 955 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,420 Before you get into another sermon, 956 00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:26,950 we're out of time. 957 00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:27,250 Another sermon? 958 00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:36,220 We're out of time. As 959 00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:37,990 Chaplin Lisa comes up to close this, 960 00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:41,380 I'm just going to read two quotes that I think from Dr. 961 00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:43,300 Perkins' book that helps 962 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:45,340 us into the conversation we've had. 963 00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:46,870 One of them says, 964 00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:48,520 "We have been intentional about 965 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,605 building the walls that separate us." 966 00:48:50,605 --> 00:48:52,510 It goes on, "We must be even more 967 00:48:52,510 --> 00:48:55,195 intentional about tearing them down." 968 00:48:55,195 --> 00:48:57,040 I think we heard a lot 969 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,560 of good things from Pastor Hackett on that. 970 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,375 Then the last quote, 971 00:49:01,375 --> 00:49:03,085 "When it's all said and done, 972 00:49:03,085 --> 00:49:04,510 love is a choice. 973 00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:06,850 It's a decision." Dr. Perkins said, 974 00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:08,740 "I choose the way of love. 975 00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:11,200 I've chosen to be marked by it" 976 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:31,030 Stand up as we close in prayer. 977 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:32,710 God we each honor you in this moment and we are so 978 00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:34,930 grateful for this time that we 979 00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:40,285 have been able to be reminded of our foundation in you. 980 00:49:40,285 --> 00:49:45,100 That as Dr. Perkins spoke and reminded 981 00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,140 us of this reconciliation that we 982 00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:49,285 had the body of Christ to have with you, 983 00:49:49,285 --> 00:49:51,520 God that we are so grateful for 984 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,445 that gift of life and that gift of salvation. 985 00:49:54,445 --> 00:49:57,880 God, I'm so grateful for Pastor Erna's work and 986 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,255 the ways that she is helping us to think through, 987 00:50:01,255 --> 00:50:05,965 how do we live out this sanctification and growing place? 988 00:50:05,965 --> 00:50:08,020 God this quarter we've been talking about 989 00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:10,435 the fruitful life and in the fruitful life, 990 00:50:10,435 --> 00:50:13,315 there's the pruning bad and 991 00:50:13,315 --> 00:50:16,900 living into places that are challenging and times God, 992 00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:19,210 just as much as we remain and 993 00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:22,150 abide in the you and grow fruit, 994 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,505 part of that is that pruning process. 995 00:50:24,505 --> 00:50:28,240 God, I pray that as we get to continue to join together, 996 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,500 that you will continue to shape 997 00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,540 us the ways that we think, 998 00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:33,760 the ways that we get to love people, 999 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,415 the ways that we get just walk with one another. 1000 00:50:36,415 --> 00:50:38,410 Holy Spirit, we pray for your work 1001 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:40,375 in us because we cannot do it on our own, 1002 00:50:40,375 --> 00:50:42,430 and we trust that you are the one who 1003 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:44,935 is at work doing these things. 1004 00:50:44,935 --> 00:50:46,630 God, I'm so grateful. 1005 00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:48,760 We come back to that song that we sang earlier, 1006 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,170 in Christ the solid rock, 1007 00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:53,515 we stand, please stand together in Christ. 1008 00:50:53,515 --> 00:50:55,960 God, I thank you for a place like this that we can have 1009 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,640 these conversations that are 1010 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,520 rooted and grounded in your body. 1011 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,653 We pray these things in Jesus name. Amen. 1012 00:51:03,653 --> 00:51:03,880 Amen. 1013 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,280 I just want to draw your attention to a couple of things. 1014 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,810 Tonight, we're going to continue, 1015 00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:09,010 so if you want to hear more of this, 1016 00:51:09,010 --> 00:51:10,855 we're going to be here at 7:30. 1017 00:51:10,855 --> 00:51:13,840 Then also if you were coming to sharpen for the lunch, 1018 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,190 we are actually canceling it because we've 1019 00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:17,020 had some facility issues. 1020 00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:19,030 But if you are interested 1021 00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:21,640 also in joining us for a service tomorrow night, 1022 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,650 the group will be joining with 1023 00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:25,270 the community and we'll be having 1024 00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:27,265 a service of remembrance for Sarah, 1025 00:51:27,265 --> 00:51:29,530 starting at 7:00 PM in here at 1026 00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:31,915 First Free Methodist Church and we invite you to join us. 1027 00:51:31,915 --> 00:51:38,762 Have a blessed day.